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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2014 8:04:45 GMT
I honestly didn't know where to put this so...
I read somewhere that empty houses mean that whatever that house signifies means it's not (as) important to you in this life time.
So I was wondering what houses in your natal chart are empty and do these quotes ring true to you?
My 2nd (Juno is there), 3rd, 6th (I don't necessarily consider it empty because Chiron r is there. But oddly enough I consider the 11th house empty even though my South Node is there.), 8th, and 11th houses are empty if I use the Equal House System. Now I can't say much on these houses because I never looked at them in depth due to them not having any planets and/or other things (that's the wrong word) there. And I think because of that I feel sort of disconnected to them? But I also have to ask, what do empty houses due to the ruler of that house/sign? Like since my Mercury r is in Taurus and in the 1st house, does that in turn have an affect on the 3rd house, Gemini, and Virgo in some way? Do my negative aspects to Mercury r do?
Also, do empty signs mean anything in particular? Do they function similarly to empty houses? Gemini (Juno is there), Cancer, Libra (Chiron r is there), Scorpio, and Pisces (South Node and Vesta are there) are empty. Does that mean I have troubles there or am I not particularly interested in those areas of my life?
What about you guys?
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Post by Franka on Aug 9, 2014 23:34:55 GMT
I can't answer your questions, but I am also interested in why some houses are empty and what it could mean.
My 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th and 9th (aside from midheaven and north node) house are empty the 3rd and 9th also happen to be duplicated and the 5th is intercepted, while my 11th is occupied with venus.
I have even more empty signs: leo, virgo, libra, sagittarius, aquarius (aside from midheaven and north node), gemini (aside from ascendant)
Maybe this table from Astral Twelve might help:
The intercepted vs. duplicated houses actually tell more more than whether they're empty or occupied. But I don't have any stelliums in one of the houses (two planets at the most)
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Post by Calli on Aug 10, 2014 2:50:27 GMT
Houses are empty for no real reason, other than that there's 10 planets and 12 houses, so statistically, 2 are always empty (variables occur when you add in the asteroids, points, midpoints, and arabic parts - and consider that Mercury and Venus are usually in the same House as the Sun, if not the neighboring one).
Empty Houses aren't un-important, persay, as much as they don't have as much energy as other Houses. Having your Mars in the Third means you're passionate about communication - when your 9th House is empty, you do experience travel for it, but you don't lust for it (Mars) or value it (venus) or even dream of it (Neptune) as much as others might.
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Post by pconfort on Aug 10, 2014 22:13:55 GMT
Well, I've read from several astrologers over the years that empty houses are not un-important, they are ruled by the planeted related to the sign in that house instead.
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Post by Calli on Aug 11, 2014 3:32:50 GMT
Eh? It's not like one is more important than the other. Nothing in Astrology is UN-important. I guess the better term is influential? Which seems nit-picky, but I will elaborate. Every single part of your Natal Chart is important. Each adds to the collective data and tools you may choose to use. However, some of those traits, data, and tools may pop up more often, more strongly, and/or more on the positive scale than others. This is when they are more influential. So, Houses with planets in them experience more energy then those without - therefore they are more influential in our lives than Empty Houses. Likewise, when a House becomes Duplicated, and covers more territory, more energy is directed there - making them more influential than Intercepted Houses, wherein the communication lines are cut down. However, the lack of communication may prove more influential if it does occur over Houses with planets in them - it's like you're trying to phone a friend and just can't get through, it gets to you, whereas if you're not trying to make a call, it doesn't bother you at all that the phone lines are down. Empty Houses can sometimes be forgotten by our subconscious - our energy is directed elsewhere, but that doesn't mean they lack importance to us overall, or that they don't cause any influence. In short, yes I am agreeing with the order in which you sorted the above, only in terms of INFLUENCE, rather than in terms of importance. Because everything is important.
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Post by Calli on Aug 11, 2014 18:46:07 GMT
Oh, no, you're totally fine, friend.
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Post by solarflare on Aug 19, 2014 21:22:33 GMT
interesting topic, i've always wondered what the empty houses mean too. thanks for the linked sources too they help a lot. thank the existence of transiting planets that touch those empty houses, or else we wouldn't know what to do with them right?
i think the empty signs just mean the energy of the sign doesn't come into play in our lives. we display no qualities or behaviors of that sign, since its an empty house cusp, we obviously don't have any planets in that sign, indicating the lack of that sign's behavior.
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Post by erumpere on Aug 22, 2014 0:07:59 GMT
My 5th, 9th, 10th, 11th and 12th houses are completely empty and I feel like if I were to focus my life on those topics, such as career/a public image, philosophy/religion, large friend circles, hobbies/pleasure, or plumbing the depths of my unconscious, I would feel very unfulfilled, restless, uncomfortable, like I was doing the wrong thing and missing my true purpose.
As well as those, my 2nd and 3rd houses only contain my Lilith and Chiron which I don't pay attention to... I have no interest in possessions, at all. I'd take this for granted if it wasn't for the fact that it seems that everyone around me DOES have an interest in possessing, acquiring more possessions. So empty houses mean there's no drive in those areas... I don't know about the 3rd, it's not a big part of my life so that checks out with what empty houses are supposed to mean...
I found "native is satisfied and content and get their needs met through the sign on the cusp" interesting. Gemini is on my 11th house cusp. I am completely satisfied with superficial interaction (Gemini) with other people (11th). My needs are met, I don't desire more than shallow exchanges. I find I just flit from shallow topic to shallow topic quickly, without truly caring about what's being said, it's just the act of talking... sounds a bit Gemini-ish to me. I've also never felt like I needed a close friend whereas I imagine if my 11th cusp was in, say, Water, I would. My sister's is in Pisces and she has lots of friend drama, even though the house is empty, I feel like she has the need for close friends, someone to have a heart-to-heart with... she does have 5 planets in Water... I'm not even talking about empty houses now lol everything's connected, I could waffle on with astrology from topic to topic for hours... I have more instances of empty houses being fulfilled satisfactorily by their cusps but I'll leave it and just say it's a good concept to have.
Another thing I'd note is that my sister and I have planets in the 4th house and there's... conflict, sort of, or just... things, events, energies is the only way I can explain it, to do with our home life, while my brother has an empty 4th house and his experience is easy and... 'empty' of energies in the home. It's also like my sister and I are learning lessons due to these energies in the home, and my brother's lessons will be taught in other areas.
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Post by xXxCometxXx on Aug 22, 2014 18:53:57 GMT
When we say 'empty houses', I'm assuming we're excluding minor planets and asteroids and focusing on the more major planets instead? Just wondering because my chart shows that I have a house with at least one or more minor planets/asteroids, though they may not have as much influential energy as the major planets!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2014 3:56:06 GMT
xXxCometxXx Yeah, I exclude asteroids because if I included them then only my 3rd and 8th houses would be empty. And I think asteroids and minor planets (what do you mean by this? Like outer planets?) are less influential than inner planets anyway. solarflare That's interesting and I get what you're saying. Gemini and Cancer are definitely signs I feel the most disconnected with. But these sign are also duplicated for me. Pisces is intercepted (or is better to say that Aries is intercepted by Pisces?). Scorpio has no planet in the sign but has Pluto r in the house (7th) it rules over. So I have to take into account all these things for me personally. But what you said was very interesting. :3 erumpere It's interesting that you said that you'd feel restless and unfulfilled if you focuses too deeply on your empty houses. I can't say the same since I ignore my empty houses all together but the way you described your own experiences has got me thinking. If we view the natal chart from a Karmic standpoint, then I would conclude that empty houses are houses where we've already solved some Karma in but houses with planets in them (especially the 12th, 8th, and 4th houses if I remember correctly) show where we need to work out Karma in this life. For you and your sister it's surrounding the home and the mother (some astrologers say the father rules the 4th and the mother rules the 10th. I see it opposite because if the moon is a symbol for the mother and it rules the 4th house, then obviously the 4th house should also be about the mother, right?). Since your brother doesn't have anything there he can focus his energy elsewhere. I'm curious, though. Does your brother try to help with these events dealing with the home? I'm just wondering since he has "mastered" that house, so to speak, if he offered advice or anything like that? Franka Sorry for not responding to your post! I really didn't know what to say about it but I do appreciate the little table! It's really helpful.
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Post by erumpere on Aug 23, 2014 5:48:59 GMT
@lailanights17 Well... One of the events that shaped me was a period of years when I was a child, it's related with my Pluto in the 4th and my 4th house cusp being Scorpio... My brother was a baby when this was going on so he had nothing to say about it lol... Pluto is the only planet I have in the 4th house, so that could very well be the end of my major 4th house lessons - or another will come in the future when I have a different home environment. As for my sister, she has the Moon and Jupiter. I definitely think the Moon might signify her fights with our mum, I can imagine she'll be learning some life lessons from those and becoming less self-centred and not making huge deals out of harmless things anymore... Interestingly, her 4th house cusp in in Leo. Now that I think of it, she does act like a Leo in some ways at home, and she is much more subdued with her friends, from what I hear, and in public, and I'd guess this is because her 3rd, 7th and 11th cusps are in Water signs. My brother stays out of the fights like I do, he's non-combative, I haven't asked him but I imagine his only advice would be "(Sister) needs to stop harrassing mum" or something... We share an eye-roll sometimes and that's all that needs to be said... Jupiter... Higher learning, spirituality, travel... Also laziness... Maybe a large portion of her growth will occur in university, maybe she'll get into some sort of religious or occult ideas and learn something profound from that... Whatever it is, it's in the future, I can't relate anything like that to her life so far. And it should be tied to the 4th house... Jupiter is in Virgo, maybe her new religious philosophies will cause her to be more helpful in the home and stop being so lazy when it comes to cleaning things up haha, I can only speculate here. You could say my brother's mastered the 4th house in respect to our mum, they have such a harmonious relationship, not a single disagreement. I used to be the same but now I'm learning things and transforming myself (Pluto), it causes tension and a rift between me and my mother (4th house)! I've never thought of that before, it's perfect... Now I've gained a better understanding of Pluto as well as empty and not-empty houses thanks to you.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2014 6:35:27 GMT
erumpere Hmm...your sister sounds interesting. We have similar placements--Moon in 4th, 4th on Leo, aspects between the Moon and Jupiter (opposition). So for her I think her lesson is dealing with your Mom on a level that signifies a lot of growth. I feel like she's going to learn a lot from your mom and I'm sure become a more responsible, mature young woman. Since the Moon is in Leo as opposed to the Sun, yes her more Leo qualities come out at home. Lunar versus Solar Leos can be very different at times. Like for me I'm far more outgoing or lively at home than out in public. A Solar Leo may be the opposite. Your Pluto in the 4th house interests me. Pluto is often seen as a malefic planet and since 4th house is the home (and on Scorpio which is sometimes also seen as malefic) I can't help but feel like there could be potential problems. But from what you've wrote it doesn't seem like that. I think the above scenario would only occur if Pluto was in a "hard" aspect to the Moon in addition to be being in the 4th house. And like you said Pluto is about transformation so I think what you learn from the 4th house will potentially transform you in profound ways. Pluto is also a generational/outer planet so its effects are more far reaching and take time but you'll most likely feel them more because of its house placement. And I find it interesting with your brother's and mother's relationship. It seems to perfectly fit into some of those empty houses descriptions! I don't know if you're interested but I found some stuff on Moon contacts and Scorpio on the 4th house here, here, here, and here. Oh, and you're welcome!
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Post by xXxCometxXx on Aug 23, 2014 10:25:59 GMT
@lailanights17 Thank you for the reply! When I say minor planets and asteroids, I'm talking ones like Ceres, Path of Fortune, Pallas and so forth - doesn't matter in particular, just wanted to check that we're not getting to nitty gritty with the details And with that said, my empty houses appear to be House 2, 3, 4, 11 and 12...not quite sure what those mean to me yet, though I do have a vague idea how those houses have an affect on me - I shall look those up in due course!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2014 15:52:11 GMT
xXxCometxXx Yeah, from what I've researched and just how astrologers interpret the natal chart in general, asteroids and Arabic parts (the Path of Fortune, the Path of Spirit, the Part of Destiny, etc.) are excluded. The focus is only on the planets--both inner and outer although the outer planets are not seen as influential until either later in life or if its house placement and/or aspects to inner planets are significant. Anyway, have fun exploring your empty houses!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 17:04:19 GMT
I found a cool website that has all the empty houses by sign: X
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